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helpermonkeyradio · Apr 06, 2009, 11:25 PM // 23:25

I have been playing PvE for close to 4 years now. I have decided that I want to try PvP for a change of pace. I am intreasted in HA but I have very little exp in PvP. Its hard to find a pug TA team thats balanced and RA is just that, too random. you get lucky with your team mates. I would try to get my guildies to PvP but most of them are not that intreated in it, and leaving the guild is not going to happen. while they may not be PvP nor intreasted in it, I have still made freinds and do not want to leave the guild.

Basically I suppose what is the best way to break into PvP. I have mostly played as a warrior, however i do have a rit, monk (my second most played character but nothing comparted to the amount of time i played as a warrior), sin, ranger, para, necro and ele. Any advice anyone can offer me from tactics to builds, ect would be helpfull. thank you very much.

Skco · Apr 07, 2009, 12:30 AM // 00:30

Well, entering the PvP world from PvE will be a hard transition. You need to know where to position yourself on the battlefield, what spells to use and when, PvP terminology, etc.
If youre going to PvP you should really get a PvP slot, as I highly doubt any of your characters are PvP ready (All skills unlocked w/ every profession for the most part, runes to spare, weapon sets, etc.)

The best way to get into PvP is to run IWAY.
The set up consists of

4 W/R IWAY Warriors (with pets)
1 Peace And Harmony Monk
1 Oath ShotSpirit Spammer
2 Ele/Rit Ether Prism Healers

Its most likely on PvXwiki. The easiest role would most likely be the warrior.

riceangel · Apr 07, 2009, 12:54 AM // 00:54

very hard for an unranked person to get a pug, its even worse if ur guild cant help.

Finding a guild that teaches how to do pvp will let you get some skill and rank, this usually requires vent

Since you dont want to leave your guild your best hope is to find a gimmick team build like mathway, that requires little skill, get r3 and then try for balanced teams which have better chances(still hard to find a pug).

PvX has all the builds you need to play the role

Lux Aeterna · Apr 07, 2009, 01:28 AM // 01:28

battlefield positioning
target selection
knockdowns

[devastating hammer][crushing blow][distracting blow][bull's strike][hammer bash][flail][death's charge][enraging charge]

try alliance battle, easiest pvp to get into. HA sucks.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Apr 07, 2009, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Skco

The best way to get into PvP is to run IWAY.
The set up consists of

4 W/R IWAY Warriors (with pets)
1 Peace And Harmony Monk
1 Oath ShotSpirit Spammer
2 Ele/Rit Ether Prism Healers

Its most likely on PvXwiki. The easiest role would most likely be the warrior.

The best way to learn PvP is not to run IWAY, the only thing that is good for is learning the basics of HA, which is just one form of PvP and largely in HA positioning isn't a big factor other than spreading out.

Here's roughly what I would do and pretty much did myself when going from PvE -> PvP (I'm now R9, G3, C2 and Commander 2 =D)

First off read anything and everything you can about PvP strategies, profession guides, equipment guides etc etc You can find a lot of good stuff on places like
www.teamquitter.com (There is an excellent Ranger and Warrior guide on there) and the Rebel Rising forums have some good stuff as well.

Next I would try and push up your individual skill and general knowledge of the game, RA is an excellent place to do this. Don't worry to much about winning or losing at the moment, just try and focus on your improving your own play on your chosen profession.

Try and practice some of those things you've been reading about in various articles and familiarize yourself with some of the more common skills and hexes, being able to instantly recognize any skill you come across just by it's icon is absolutely key, maybe not so for less used skills but definately for the common every day skills. If you're playing a warrior you should also be able to identify a lot of the common Monk Prots just by their animation.

Once you start to get familiar with things and getting to grips with your profession in a PvP enviroment I would start to then to move into the team aspects. I would ignore TA because it's to hard to find people for that and just move to HA.

DO NOT expect to run whatever build you want, infact any team that lets you do this I would avoid. The bars in the team build should all synergise perfectly and so the leader of the group will normally give out the bars. When I started playing HA I really only had skills for 1 profession unlocked, so what I did was play 1 profession until I had most of the skills I needed unlocked and then moved to another profession until I had the key skills for it. Basically this gave me a rough feel for each of the classes as well as allowing me to become familiar with the skills.

Again when you come to HA don't expect to win a lot and definitely do not expect to immediatly get into r6+ groups. They key thing here is just stick with it, after a while you will notice that you become more and more familiar with what works, what doesn't work and which strategies and skills are good. You'll start to notice specific team builds coming up over and over again and you can learn how they work and how to beat them. As you get better you'll be able to join better groups and after a while you'll should be able to look back and see how much you've improved.

NOTE: I'm not going to tell you to go straight to HA and start playing Balanced builds straight off. This doesn't work and will just lead to frustration and failure. It's ok to play IWAY or some other gimmick to get your rank up a bit, to say r3. Also because these teams actually do win, you'll become more familiar with the maps, after you get to about r3 or 4 though, I would move away from some of the gimmicks.

I would not reccommend staying in a PvE guild or even a PvX guild. If you are serious about becoming a decent player then just join a straight up HA guild, that possibly does a bit of GvG on the side. HA is pretty decent at teaching you how to become a reasonable PvP'er as long as you don't play IWAY the whole time and from there you really should be able to stand on your own feet and move into proper GvG or just stick with HA if you wish.

It all really comes down to getting experience and getting yourself out there. If you don't go into PvP thinking you're the most 1337 player out there and you listen to advice from people (If someone calls you a noob in RA though I wouldn't think about it to much, however if you consistently get called bad, then I would start to listen to some of them) then you will improve. Just stick at it and you'll realise how much better it is than PvE =]

I'm sure you're aware of PvX wiki if you've been playing for 4 years but it really is a great resource for PvP builds as your standard PvE bar just won't cut it.

jaximus · Apr 07, 2009, 06:02 AM // 06:02

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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

The best way to learn PvP is not to run IWAY

i had this really nice post all written up, similar to yours, and my comp restarted : /

hes right, iway is not the way to learn. training a target and spamming interrupts on recharge is not the way to learn pvp.

ra and ab are your best friends at first. these low pressure environments help you sort out your knowledge and develop as a player. ab is quite carefree, so dont worry about dying too much. ra, bring a rez sig and youre better than 50% of the players there, remember a teammates 8 skills > 1 more on your bar.

as for skills and playstyles, the best advice i can give you is try some things, experiment, using pvx sometimes is okay, but dont just take any build off of there and expect to do well. 'failure' is your friend at first, having the 'best' 8 skills does you no good if you dont know how to use them or why. know what your skills do and when they are most effective! understanding what makes a skill good or bad is half of the battle.

reading the pvp guides is a good thing also.

memorizing skill animations and functions is a must.

from my personal experience, theres a few things you can do to make pvp easier. [f11] key is your friend. i turn my graphics all the way down when i pvp, doesnt make for the eye candy my computer is capable of, but frames per second are your friend. in the sound tab, i turn everything all the way down except effects, knowing skills by their sound is immensely helpful, and becomes necessary as you get farther into pvp.

also try to use keys for skills and not click them. it would most likely be beneficial to reassign keys now before you get into the pvp flow so you learn your keys as you learn the game. (my skills are in a 4x2 box so i have the skills keyed to q,w,e,r,a,s,d,f) this way you dont have to move your hand as much and skills become reflex. also i mouse walk, so if you use the w,a,s,d to move, that transition might be harder.

also changing your interface might help. moving the effects monitor (defaulted to the upper right corner) to a more convenient location on the screen may be to your benefit. also as a warrior, positioning is very important so making your compass bigger is a good idea.

an open mind and a critical mind are also key. listen to players that have been there and done that, but dont just take their word for it, ask why and develop some of your own reasons for why things are done as they are. asking 'why' is never a stupid question.

it helps to play one profession a lot, so you become natural at it, where you are going on instinct and reactions instead of thinking too much. with that said though, it also helps to play your nemesis from time to time. then you see tendencies in other people and what you can do as that class to avoid the counter.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Apr 07, 2009, 12:30 PM // 12:30

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Originally Posted by jaximus

it helps to play one profession a lot, so you become natural at it, where you are going on instinct and reactions instead of thinking too much. with that said though, it also helps to play your nemesis from time to time. then you see tendencies in other people and what you can do as that class to avoid the counter.

This is one thing I forgot to mention. If the OP read my post earlier he might have seen that I said I played most of the classes for a while to get a general feel for them and to become more familiar with their key skills.

What I failed to mention was that for the most part I played one chosen profession a lot more than the others. While at the start it may be ok to just be mediocre at a range of professions, in the higher levels you will just want to develop your skills in one or two professions, for example I play a Warrior.

Morgoth the dark · Apr 07, 2009, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

try alliance battle, easiest pvp to get into. HA sucks.

it's not the arena, it's people who suck

helpermonkeyradio · Apr 07, 2009, 03:05 PM // 15:05

Everyone,

Thank you for your help.

Most of it was all very usefull. However I know i will not need to make a pvp toon becuase well i every skill unlocked and many of them known by my warrior, plus many different swords and sheld sets ect. Maybe I should work on expanding my monk more too.

One thing that I did learn while PvE there is no one build for everything you have to change it up. I also tend to try to stay away from PvE skills too, for the simple fact that I hate grinding to get up the stats.

For now i think I will stick to RA and get used to PvP.

Again, Thank you all

Tyrannosaurus · Apr 12, 2009, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

battlefield positioning
target selection
knockdowns

[devastating hammer][crushing blow][distracting blow][bull's strike][hammer bash][flail][death's charge][enraging charge]

try alliance battle, easiest pvp to get into. HA sucks.

I wouldnt call ab a pvp area

fb2000 · Apr 12, 2009, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Does noone run any normal semi-balanced builds in TA these days?

Used to be a nice place to either get your feet wet, or kill some time.. And tbh quite often have better opponents than HA

You got some suggestions already. Try to find a class that you really like playing. I guess you will be stuck in RA for some time - it isnt all that bad, putting you in all kinds of teams against a variety of opponents will help you understand your skills better and develop a certain play style. Both will be useful later on

You seem to like playing a warrior, I would start with that. Then again, I'm biased, I love playing warrior, I love playing monk as well

.

Reverend Dr · Apr 13, 2009, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by helpermonkeyradio

For now i think I will stick to RA and get used to PvP.

RA is the worst way to start out in PvP. While you don't need to worry about being bad or finding a team, the format is rubbish. There are many people who enjoy other forms of PvP, but cannot stand RA (I am one of them). Now if you enjoy RA, great, but if you don't like it remember that it is in no way indicative of the PvP in this game.

Join a PvP guild. There are guilds that will take someone completely green who is willing to learn. This is the single best thing you can do to get into pvp.

superraptors · Apr 14, 2009, 07:59 AM // 07:59

really if u dont leave ur pve based guild you will fail 90% of the time with shitty pugs tbh.
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Wish Swiftdeath · Apr 14, 2009, 09:05 AM // 09:05

any advice for someone with +8gmt? xD

fb2000 · Apr 14, 2009, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

RA is the worst way to start out in PvP. While you don't need to worry about being bad or finding a team, the format is rubbish. There are many people who enjoy other forms of PvP, but cannot stand RA (I am one of them). Now if you enjoy RA, great, but if you don't like it remember that it is in no way indicative of the PvP in this game.

Join a PvP guild. There are guilds that will take someone completely green who is willing to learn. This is the single best thing you can do to get into pvp.

Yes, but still, for a total beginner, it might help him a bit, show him bazzillions of different scenarios. Plus, its not that time-consuming, one can always just jump in RA for like 10 mins whilst waiting for something for example. Always better than waiting an hour till everyone shows up for a whole party

A pvp guild is a must to get more involved, but maybe he doesnt want that, maybe he just wants to play and see what its like.

You could of course ask your alliance, if anyone there does any PvP activity you might join.. That, and getting some friendly pvp'ers on your flist is going to be pretty much the only somewhat guaranteed means of getting decent PvP action (provided you stay in your Pve guild).

Also, ask your guildies again, maybe someone does play in pvp..

Reverend Dr · Apr 14, 2009, 04:54 PM // 16:54

My first point is that if you do not like RA there is no reason to ever play it. My second point is that if you do not like RA it is completely unlike other pvp.

Also you cannot "try out" any form of pvp other than RA,AB,JQ,FA (which are very different than HA and GvG) without either having a large friend list filled with PvPers or being in a pvp guild. Sorry, that is not how it works. Pugs are just terrible, I can get that same feeling of being in a pug by going into PvE, aggroing everything, and wiping (okay I have to pretend the mobs trash talk me afterwards).

If you want to PvP step 1, get into a PvP guild. Everything else falls into place after that.

Banelord · Apr 18, 2009, 12:27 PM // 12:27

Hey new to pvp and is there some place for the abbreviations when they search for people? Like LS,LH,SH,PH and so one? When I try to ask, no answer and kick......

Arya Nibelrund · Apr 18, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59

There's not really a place, it's common knowledge. They're abbreviations for most used elite skills.
LS=life sheat
PS=palm strike
LC=lingering curse
PnH=peace and harmony
SH=savannah heat
No idea what LH or PH is tbh.

BarPusher · Apr 19, 2009, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Rage level of the group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH

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Basically I suppose what is the best way to break into PvP.

Play front and back line.

GVG for some bad guild. Make friends. Don't give people advice in games, and the advice you get take with a pinch of salt.